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8Z 6
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Posted - 2008.11.26 01:28:00 -
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I didnt read this entire 8-thousand page thread but at some point ill skim through it probably.
To CCCP: I am currently, and temporarily, running one account. Which will be closed shortly as well. (no, you cant have my stuff.) Ive been playing with 5 constantly active accounts and a total of about 14 which I used for various purposes, such as dedicated super capital pilots, dedicated industrialist, dedicated miner, etc etc. Due to the exorbitant cost of running so many accounts I sometimes set one for long-term training and let it expire. This practice costs nothing to CCCP...the account is not being used, doesnt take bandwidth or cause server load, and it encourages the player to eventually reactivate the subscription. This has been a FEATURE since 2003 and for it to now be 'fixed' as per the explanation of the CCCP rep, it is nothing short of a crock of rectal excrement. Whomever came up with this plan of monumental mental ******ation failed to take into account the motivation of returning to a subscription that has been dormant for any number of reasons, such as vacation, lack of RL time to play, lack of funding, etc., and finding a skill trained.
If CCCP would like to verity this is not emoragequiting check the account info on this account and cross check it with other accounts with the same zip code, credit card info, address, name, etc. Also, most of my accounts have a character with the same name, derivatives of this accounts main character. (Yes, this is an alt.) I closed all my accounts in october upon the announcement of this abortion of an idea and only opened this one back up temporarily. Good job CCCP on removing yet another feature encouraging membership and customer loyaly. Ive seen a lot of long-term players quitting and selling their accounts for various reasons, this being one of them. Numbers of players logged on at one time may be high but my prediction is this wont last long. The current 'noob' subscribers will eventually see how appreciative CCCP isnt toward their customers and will follow suit.
From those of us about to quit...we salute you.
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2008.11.26 01:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Kerfira
Y'all still crying?
The free lunch offer was cancelled... Deal with it! 
We'll see who is crying in the end. With the current economic situation and minimizing of unnecessary expenses, game subscriptions are going to be near the top of the list of fat to be trimmed from household budgets. Going inactive and coming back to an account with a long-term skill trained is a major motivational factor in reactivating an account.
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2008.11.26 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: fried eggs
Originally by: Kerfira
Nope... Just pointing out that numbers doesn't match.... Some guy some pages back (cba to find it) was claiming that player numbers were dropping sharply because of this. I'm merely proving with numbers that they aren't...
Enjoy gnawing your liver 
No you weren't. You were implying that the people that said they were going to quit, did not. Can you back that statement up or not? I donÆt care to argue opposing views, but if you are going to make a boneheaded claim like you did, at least have the ænads to defend it.
Numbers speak for themselves
It's been almost a month and a half since the removal of your free lunch. IF the 1000's of players had quit as you've all said they'd do, it would be visible. It isn't!
Please continue fighting them windmills. It's giving me a good laugh every morning seeing you being so upset over a trivial and logical change 
Considering the massive advertising campaign CCCP has been having lately and judging by the numbers of short-time-in-game players ive seen, your argument is flawed. The numbers may be high but quantity does not equal quality since they may be curious players who dont have the loyalty and interest in making this a long term investment with multiple accounts.
Ive gone through a few dozen pages of this thread and havent see a single dev/GM post. Im curious what the actual thought are from this bunch. Like Ive said...there are several account subscriptions they have lost from myself due to this abortion of an idea and Im sure there are quite a few others judging by how long this thread is.
Regardless of the reasoning of removing the ghost training feature, for a thread to be this long and this despised by the player base I should say it amazes me that CCCP hasnt made some sort of reply to this thread. It doesnt tho. Since the batch of devs came aboard, headed by zoozoopark or whatever his name is, this game has been going down hill at a high rate of speed in a handbasket.
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2008.11.27 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: 8Z 6
Considering the massive advertising campaign CCCP has been having lately and judging by the numbers of short-time-in-game players ive seen, your argument is flawed. The numbers may be high but quantity does not equal quality since they may be curious players who dont have the loyalty and interest in making this a long term investment with multiple accounts.
You do know that on average an EVE player stays in the game for only 7 months, right? Thus there'll ALWAYS be a huge number of new players.
A lot stay longer of.c., but those are not typically the emoragequit type. We simply stay because this is the greatest space MMO there is.
So why should CCP reply? They've made their (imo sound) business decision, and is sticking with it. A few 10's of people quitting over it short term is insignificant.
Most people who'd quit would have done so soon anyway, simple because nobody keeps paying for a game to ghost train. We pay to play!
The large majority of people will simply continue as they were, except now they'll keep their accounts active, providing income to CCP for service rendered.
Sorry if it shatters your world view, but quite frankly, the ppl whining in here don't matter as much as you think you do....
Your arguments have completely lost cohesion and now youre just spewing barely relevant nonsense about irrelevant points. You are completely missing any point mentioned and going off on a tangent totally unrelated. You have no idea how many people have quit or how much income has been lost due to this poorly thought out change to the game. Unless you do since your posts do contain a degree of the inept arrogance of the cccp devs.
One benefit to cccp of ghost training was an incentive to keep multiple accounts running intermittently. Now instead of one person with multiple accounts which can be ghost trained the incentive to have multiple accounts is gone. Im a director in a fairly decently sized corporation and have received at least a dozen mails from players saying their non-main alts are no longer going to be used and should be removed from the corp due to this removal of ghost training. This is my experience in one corp...how many others are having the same experience. Now instead of cccp getting a subscription fee every few months, since that is the max of any skill, they will get none at all.
Judging by your posts your business skill is as inept as your ability to argue a point and analyze a situation. You have such a hard-on for this being the 'greatest space MMO' then stop posting in a thread that youve already stated affects you none at all and go play the game and stop bothering the grownups.
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2008.11.28 05:45:00 -
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Key point: customers. Ultimately cccp is a business and the players are its clients and source of existence. When there is this much of an outpouring of dissatisfaction with no reply or inclination to reverse a poorly thought out decision it tells us how cccp really views its customers. All things considered, this isnt much of a surprise.
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2008.12.01 20:52:00 -
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they need to hurry about announcing their realization that this was a stupid idea and nothing more than a poorly timed april fools joke so i can reactivate my expired accounts. either that or i dont reactivate them. ever.
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2008.12.03 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: fried eggs
Originally by: Gone'Postal
Have they broke there vail of silence yet, or sticking to there.. 5 year bug gets fixed bull****e.
CCP is using the famous "Ostrich Strategy". You know the one where you bury your head in the sand. They do have a host of "fans" in this thread screaming that CCP can do no wrong though. That might count for something...
They have no fans. They have only dev alts pretending to be fans.
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2008.12.08 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Braun
Do any of you actually run a business? I doubt it, at least for the ones who are moaning.
with this statement youve made it apparent that you dont. nor will you ever with this attitude.
first and foremost in priority of any business is the satisfaction of the customer. granted, during better economic times customer service skills can be a bit more lax but the way the economy is now its time to break out the knee pads and get to work making sure your customers have a smile on their face. i cant recall any topic within eve causing this much dissatisfaction within the player base yet cccp has made no effort at fixing the problem. yes. its a problem when this many customers are expressing how disgusted they are at how cccps behavior has been.
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2008.12.10 20:31:00 -
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I said it in another thread where cccp came up with another hare brained abortion of an idea...this game has jumped the shark. its quality peaked now its on its way down hill in a handbasket. good job. get rid of some of these new devs who seem like the instigation behind all of these game-destroying ideas. either that or stop hiring lobotomy addicts.
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2008.12.16 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: 8Z 6 on 16/12/2008 16:40:21
You need to stop posting. That is unless your entire purpose is to show the world your cluelessness and want to continue sharing the most amazing display of ignorance and idiocity to ever be publicly displayed in all the history of ignorance and idiocity.
You havent made a single valid reply to any post youve responded to. The universe would be a better place without you.
EDIT: this was directed at kir-whateverhisnameis
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2008.12.17 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT
yea, ccp is doing the right think in this there is to many floating accounts now in eve + why should they get to cash in on five accounts they only payed half on and ccp lose on it.
pay you cheap skates and stop crying.
ccp needs the coin an i need a better eve that the cash will bring..
Another brilliant observation from the clueless commandos. Youre very astute for someone who seems to be getting his cluelessness from the same source as that kerfy clown.
I dont know about any other subscribers, but I can speak for myself in knowing that cccp has lost quite a bit of 'coin' from me since not only have i not renewed the multiple accounts that i had in ghost training, but a couple that were support chars to the ghost train-ees were not renewed. How does that figure into youre economic theories there, Mr Greenspan?
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2008.12.17 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Becham
Has the REASON people were induced to "ghost train" been considered? I mean really .... a single skill that takes 6 months to train? I'm all for paying to play, but SRSLY, maybe some of the training times should be looked at. And I /sign the skill queue petition.
actually, the titan skill is one of the skills with the highest rank and it was only something like 68 days or some such for one of my ghost train-ees. with that in mind, the longest someone would be able to go if they were taking advantage of 'ghost training' is roughly 70 days then would need to renew for a 30-day subscription |
8Z 6
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Posted - 2008.12.17 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Becham
I don't know, I'm a noob as things go. I was reading in this thread that capital ship building V takes 180 days.
Maybe with minimal learning skills but its the same rank as titan and outpost construction. The alt i used to train cap ship construction V (yes, yet another separate ghost-training alt) took only about 70-ish days, give or take. I dont remember exactly.
Getting off topic somewhat, I just checked my out-of-game email and discovered a mail from cccp advertising a 5-day promotion for returning to the game. There were several, though not all, of my accounts listed on the same mail so cccp is able to tell to a degree how many accounts belong to the same person. I sent a mail in response about why i havent reactivated those accounts and how disgusted i am at the loss of 'ghost training' (amongst other things)but i dont expect either a response or the slightest care from cccp. As I said in the email i sent, make 'ghost training' a usable feature again and ill reactivate the accounts.
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2008.12.22 23:52:00 -
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technicalities, word games, and semantics aside, the fact of the matter is this was a feature that has been in-game for the last five years and now is being removed arbitrarily by cccp. it was a feature of the game i, as a paying customer, preferred, and now without it will follow through with the customers ultimate right...cessation of payment for services.
would saying 'neener neener neener' be inappropriate?
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2008.12.28 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Squirrrel
It's not at all because I fell out of love with the game that I appear bitter - It's the fact that I've come to feel more like a cash cow and an unpaid game-tester than a valued customer.
signed
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2009.01.05 23:00:00 -
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42,000
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2009.01.07 18:34:00 -
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With this many pages, this many posts, and this many thread views, a cccp representative has yet to make any sort of reply or acknowledgment. Customer appreciation, ftw.
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2009.01.18 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ken LEEEEEEE
Edited by: Ken LEEEEEEE on 18/01/2009 18:47:10
none cares about this anymore... long story short CCP don't care what pilots think !
With a 201 page long thread youre blatantly mistaken, altho its painfully obvious CCCP doesnt give half a sh!t what its customers think.
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2009.01.26 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: TemplarMessiah Crusada
Wel, now we know who those 12-year old emo rage babies are. Can't believe people are whining about this so badly.
this is called customer feedback. your lack of the comprehension about this shows your familiarity with 12-year old emo rage babies. on that note show us your 12-year old emo rage ability and quit life. immediately if not sooner. post the live streaming video.
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2009.01.29 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Qebh
Edited by: Qebh on 26/01/2009 23:12:00
On a related note, I wonder how many of the people that threatened to /unsub one or more accounts (either here or in the other thread on the topic) actually did so.
i did...several accounts. cccp regularly sends me mails about re-subscribing.
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2009.01.29 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: TemplarMessiah Crusada
...and this is whining
we've noticed. please stop.
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2009.01.31 17:14:00 -
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yea...with only 267k reads and 6,000+ posts you'd think cccp would get the hint it was a bad idea. |
8Z 6
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Posted - 2009.02.08 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Makhan
Jesus, people actually care enough about this garbage to get this thread to 203 pages months after the change was made? Who cares!
your powers of observation are astounding. almost as astounding as cccps lack of them. |
8Z 6
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Posted - 2009.02.10 01:56:00 -
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they dont care
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8Z 6
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Posted - 2009.03.01 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Demon Azrakel
to the previous 6081 posters
even if you are not quitting...can i have your stuff??
Its all yours.
Grab your ankles and smile...here it comes.
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